Problems in installing Suse Linux
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I spent the last few days trying to install Suse 10.1, the FTP server from which I got the torrent was claiming that it was a stable version, but it seems not! At installation, error messages were popping up, reporting missing packages like beagle-index, autoconf, atk, and audiofile. I was very enthusiastic to finally migrate to Linux, I even bought a larger hard disk and a new DVD burner especially for this occasion, but now I'll have to say that it was such a horrible experience. I know that the price of migrating to Linux must be as huge as the event itself, so fellows I realy need your help in minimizing this price  , where can I find a stable linux, do you still recommend Suse, and if linux installation fails, what can I do to retrieve my windows? |
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I never tried downloading from a torrent. I downloaded it from the Estonian mirror and it was really a piece of cake installing and configuring. plus, you know how torrent is, there might be some error in stitching the pieces of the iso's. so try dowloading again from a reliable mirror!
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errors I don't know why such errors happened, but it's probably a problem with the download like skeeter said.
suse
Anyway, I still think Suse is the best Linux distro. It comes with a lot of packages, unlike many others which come with one cd only and force you to download the rest. It is stable, polished, and well-supported. I never had a problem with it, except perhaps that you'll need to reinstall when a new version comes out.
(I've been trying to find a good linux distro for the past couple of days for the new pc, but it is always a thorny problem. The reason is that the Suse cds you gave the bookshop did not work for some reason, I'm not sure if the shopkeep made a mistake in the copying or what.) gentoo
I've tried Gentoo 2006.1 today (one cd), and it seems there are bugs in the installer. Anyway, it installed fine but with missing packages. It might be good for you, only if you can tolerate the endless hours it takes to install new packages. ubuntu Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a good choice, too. It is great, well-supported, and very polished. It's perhaps perfect for you, especially if you download the "alternate install" cd which gives you more control. You'll need to get the cd and then download the rest of the stuff you need from the internet. I'm gonna try CentOS today, by the way. This is a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It uses the old anaconda installer (brings back memories). It's 4 cds, lots of stuff, and very stable. Stable of course means older software, but I think you can upgrade it a little from Red Hat's own servers, or perhaps somewhere else. But still, Suse's the best.  If you redownload Suse, then it's IMHO the best option. windows
If you write over the windows partition, then you won't be able to get it back, of course. As for installing in another partition, it won't do anything to windows. Except perhaps mess with its boot loader. Suse (and CentOS and gentoo, but not easy-to-use Ubuntu) will give you an option where you want to put the linux boot loader (usually grub). If you choose to install it in the master-boot-record then that'll overwrite the windows bootloader. You can then load windows from the grub menu. If you install windows after linux, it'll put its boot loader in the master-boot-record without asking you, and you won't be able to boot Linux. I think you can also use the windows boot loader to boot Linux by changing some files, but it's a convoluted process.
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كتب ahnaqsh: errors I don't know why such errors happened, but it's probably a problem with the download like skeeter said.
suse
Anyway, I still think Suse is the best Linux distro. It comes with a lot of packages, unlike many others which come with one cd only and force you to download the rest. It is stable, polished, and well-supported. I never had a problem with it, except perhaps that you'll need to reinstall when a new version comes out.
(I've been trying to find a good linux distro for the past couple of days for the new pc, but it is always a thorny problem. The reason is that the Suse cds you gave the bookshop did not work for some reason, I'm not sure if the shopkeep made a mistake in the copying or what.) gentoo
I've tried Gentoo 2006.1 today (one cd), and it seems there are bugs in the installer. Anyway, it installed fine but with missing packages. It might be good for you, only if you can tolerate the endless hours it takes to install new packages. ubuntu Ubuntu/Kubuntu is a good choice, too. It is great, well-supported, and very polished. It's perhaps perfect for you, especially if you download the "alternate install" cd which gives you more control. You'll need to get the cd and then download the rest of the stuff you need from the internet. I'm gonna try CentOS today, by the way. This is a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. It uses the old anaconda installer (brings back memories). It's 4 cds, lots of stuff, and very stable. Stable of course means older software, but I think you can upgrade it a little from Red Hat's own servers, or perhaps somewhere else. But still, Suse's the best. If you redownload Suse, then it's IMHO the best option. windows
If you write over the windows partition, then you won't be able to get it back, of course. As for installing in another partition, it won't do anything to windows. Except perhaps mess with its boot loader. Suse (and CentOS and gentoo, but not easy-to-use Ubuntu) will give you an option where you want to put the linux boot loader (usually grub). If you choose to install it in the master-boot-record then that'll overwrite the windows bootloader. You can then load windows from the grub menu. If you install windows after linux, it'll put its boot loader in the master-boot-record without asking you, and you won't be able to boot Linux. I think you can also use the windows boot loader to boot Linux by changing some files, but it's a convoluted process. By the way, have you noticed that with SUSE, you kinda learn less about linux than other (harder to use) distros? I've been on SUSE 10.1 for 5 months or so, and I barely had a problem that required googling for. With fedora, that was not the case at all, i used to suffer more, but learn more. It's a matter of choice between learning and computer related health problems I guess
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Regarding the CDs I've left at the bookshop, I tried to use them, but they were not working with me either, sorry for that. it is a scary and risky adventure to run the installation with the ignorance of whether it's gonna work until the end or not. to avoid this, i used the installation disk verifying utility, and installed suse on a partition other than windows's, but with no benefit, during the installation process, errors occured, a crabby red error message popped, and caused the installation to exit, then I couldn't get anywhere beyond the BIOS. Now i'll work with ahnaqsh's advice and redownload suse from its official web site, I guiss this will reduce installation problems.
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كتب ANATHEMA: and if linux installation fails, what can I do to retrieve my windows?
If it's a matter of boot loader there is many ways to fix that.
For example you can start a new installation of Windows on a new partition, the installer will overwrite the MBR and install Windows-boot-loader, after the first reboot you should be able to log-in to the previous Windows installation and from there delete the temporary files and the new installation entry in boot.ini.
You could also log-in to the recovery console booting from Windows CD and from there fix the problem there is commands such as FixBoot and things like that.
There is also a tool called BootPart that should be able to fix the problem.
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I didn't know there were so many ways to fix the windows bootloader. Thanks for the information. I used to have a lot of trouble with this issue when I first installed linux, by the way, and so I think this advice will help anathema. This os thing never ends, does it?  By the way, today someone in البحصة told me he could get me mac osx 10.4.7 (or 10.4.6) for 500 to 1000 sp. Do you think the price is reasonable? It is of course cheaper than downloading the whole thing. كتب skeeter: By the way, have you noticed that with SUSE, you kinda learn less about linux than other (harder to use) distros? I've been on SUSE 10.1 for 5 months or so, and I barely had a problem that required googling for. With fedora, that was not the case at all, i used to suffer more, but learn more. Yeah, I see what you mean. Frankly, these days I just want the damned thing to work, just that. One eventually gets tired of messing with stuff needlessly. That's why I'm trying to get my paws on osx.  For ease of use I think gentoo is also pretty easy to use. There is some minimum requirements, but the threshold is not really very high. Of course gurus can make much more of it than they can of other distros, but what I like about it is that the package system is well-designed and easy to use, and the user-community is great. The problem is with the eternal downloads and compiles, of course.
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كتب ahnaqsh: I didn't know there were so many ways to fix the windows bootloader. Thanks for the information. I used to have a lot of trouble with this issue when I first installed linux, by the way, and so I think this advice will help anathema. Right, valuable information by foaad, thanks buddy, I'll use'em the next time I install Linux. كتب ahnaqsh: By the way, today someone in البحصة told me he could get me mac osx 10.4.7 (or 10.4.6) for 500 to 1000 sp. Do you think the price is reasonable? It is of course cheaper than downloading the whole thing. I already downloaded the mac os x 10.4.6 for x86, in addition to suse, i think i'm gonna try osx too , if you can wait for a week or two, i'll find someone going to Syria and send the DVD with him
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I have a Q ...
Will i have any problem installing linux on a laptop....i am back to syria now and left my desktop behined...
By the way ... there is a small tool that is used for creating or recovering the boot sectors i found it in a PC collection here in market...the CD was bootable and rich with such tools
Suggestion.....Why dont you create a WiKi Page that holds any possible errors linux installation might have....and their solutions
I mean eroors that you have experienced and got through...
thanx for all our Experts
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WoooW Linux ROCKS!  unfortunately I finally discoverd that I can not install linux on a external HD  , but too late, I already formatted my internal HD, and deleted windows, FAREWELL WINDOWS still there are many power tools to discover, but what about compatibality? now foaad , can I install windows on an external HD?
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كتب ANATHEMA: now foaad , can I install windows on an external HD?
I think you'll get more answers if you rephrase your question, something like "can I install windows on an external HD?"
Anyway, AFAIK you can install Windows, Linux or any other OS on an external drive as long as your main-board supports booting from a USB device, but I haven't tried this before and I haven't looked into this matter before, if I got new information I'll let you know.
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Well, it turned out that you can install Windows on a usb drive but it won't run -at least that's what MS is saying- BUT there is a couple of tools/tutorials that help you make a live Windows cd (see BartPE and PEBuilder) or even install Windows on a usb drive (see this great guide)
To tell you the truth I've got interested in the idea of installing Windows on a flash disk just for the fun of it
OTOH Linux should work fine booting from a usb drive -that's what they're saying- maybe some distros work and some don't!
BTW ahnaqsh what was your distro of choice.
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The guide is a great tool, i'll follow its steps and inform you when i'm done.
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اذا خلصتوا...ممكن حدا يساعدني انا....
بيتنزل لينوكس على لابتوب ولا لا
شكرا للجميع
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I have a Q ...
Will i have any problem installing linux on a laptop....
Theoretically installing Linux on a laptop is just like installing it on a desktop, but you need to make sure that the distro you're going to install fully supports the hardware in your laptop.
You didn't tell us if you're planning on keeping the Windows installation or not and what is your laptop model.
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Which distro did you install eventually ANATHEMA?
I'm having some internet problems now, but it'll improve soon. I installed Kubuntu 64-bit and it workd wonderfully well. Only problem is that it doesn't come with firefox or mozilla, so I have to download them. Meanwhile konqueror is the only browser available, and it seems to have a couple of problems with csc-sy.
By the way, ANATHEMA, it would be really great if you could send those cds here.
By the way, foaad, I asked the bookshop's owner if anyone is buying that stuff, and he said about 5 people come for it every month.
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Which distro did you install eventually ANATHEMA?
I'm having some internet problems now, but it'll improve soon. I installed Kubuntu 64-bit and it workd wonderfully well. Only problem is that it doesn't come with firefox or mozilla, so I have to download them. Meanwhile konqueror is the only browser available, and it seems to have a couple of problems with csc-sy.
By the way, ANATHEMA, it would be really great if you could send those cds here.
By the way, foaad, I asked the bookshop's owner if anyone is buying that stuff, and he said about 5 people come for it every month.
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كتب ahnaqsh: By the way, foaad, I asked the bookshop's owner if anyone is buying that stuff, and he said about 5 people come for it every month.
Well, I guess that's good enough...
I guess more people now can directly download their distros one way or another. Anyway this is still a convenient way to distribute distros among us [csc-sy members].
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Well i'll try it myself....
if icame back in 2 days....Installation complete
if i came back in a week ..... installation failed and back to Windows
i i didnt come back .... the installation wrecked my laptop off
you people could have answered in a word....
thank you all any way
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كتب Digital:
Well i'll try it myself....
if icame back in 2 days....Installation complete
if i came back in a week ..... installation failed and back to Windows
i i didnt come back .... the installation wrecked my laptop off
you people could have answered in a word....
thank you all any way
You didn't give specific information about your laptop, the distro you want to install, the configuration you need; for other members to advise you, nor did you ask specific questions; for other members to answer you.
Anyway I think you can pull this on your own. Good luck
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Finally, i've decided to join the lovers (windows & Linux) on one HD, different partitions of course, installation complete and everything is working well for windows, but for Suse, it can not recognize many hardware drivers ( printer, sound card, ethernet card), now I figured out that windows wont leave my linux be, so, even though my windows is genuine, i've decided to get rid of it, and totally migrate to other OS like linux. maybe i'll follow foaad's guide someday for windows installation on a USB drive. ahnaqsh , i'll try to find someone I promise
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couple of problems that i'm facing on KDE: 1- my external hard disk is behaving like a read-only device! it contains ntfs and reiserfs. 2- arabic package is installed but can not be detected in lamguage settings HELP!!  |
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Hey كتب ANATHEMA: couple of problems that i'm facing on KDE: 1- my external hard disk is behaving like a read-only device! it contains ntfs and reiserfs. 2- arabic package is installed but can not be detected in lamguage settings The linux NTFS write support is experimental, so only read support is available. There is a new beta driver with read/write support here, but it's still a bit dangerous, probably. Arabization of Linux is not complete, unfortunately. Although many apps are arabized, it is still pretty much a work in progress. I believe ayman can tell us about that more. I don't know how to use the arabized interface of an application, never tried it. If you're talking about writing and reading in arabic, then that should be very easy to do. كتب digital: Will i have any problem installing linux on a laptop....i am back to syria now and left my desktop behined... By the way ... there is a small tool that is used for creating or recovering the boot sectors i found it in a PC collection here in market...the CD was bootable and rich with such tools Well, like fooad said, we need more information, but we're always ready and happy to help if we can. You can check the linux hardware compatibilty list here, there is a section dedicated to laptops here. Just see if your particular laptop is included. The easiest way to check, however, is to install and see. These days almost everything works with linux, and the worst that can happen is that you'll write over the windows partition, so make sure to back it up first.
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كتب ahnaqsh: The linux NTFS write support is experimental, so only read support is available. There is a new beta driver with read/write support here, but it's still a bit dangerous, probably. Arabization of Linux is not complete, unfortunately. Although many apps are arabized, it is still pretty much a work in progress. I believe ayman can tell us about that more. I don't know how to use the arabized interface of an application, never tried it. If you're talking about writing and reading in arabic, then that should be very easy to do. too bad for NTFS files , I think this is probably the case when windows takes advantage, anyway, i'll wait till the support is approved, or i'll do with that guide as i mentioned earlier. I was speaking about the arabic reading and writing support, I did configure that at the end. from performance, security, and power point of view, I have a good impression for linux so far, but from compatibility and "programs you can't live without" point of view, windws is still dominating.
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Digita, Try to install SUSE or Ubuntu on a laptop. I tried installing fedora on my laptop when I got it in February, and it was pure hell, even though I've been using Redhat products since 2002.
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BTW, I tired Kubuntu 6.06 recently in Live CD mode, thanks to ahnaqsh, and was slightly disappointed. The autoconfiguration didn't do an adequate job on some really important things for a system that puts "usability" and ease of use and configuration at forefront like making some preliminary system administration so that the user can set up his internet connection via kppp later, among other things it couldn't, for some reason, make other partitions available. It was also surprising that some of "canonical" GNU/Linux apps, like Firefox and GIMP were not there. Of course these can be installed later..
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Yes, you have a strong point there. The applications that are actually available are very few.I don't think they even included open-office. Perhaps they had to do this to make the cd both a live-cd and an install cd? I had to use Kubuntu because suse 10 is too old. By the way, Suse gave me an interesting message when I tried to install it : "Cool Computer, but you are trying to install a 32 bit OS on a 64 bit computer.". It also had problems detecting the video card. I'm impressed by something, though. Kubuntu was the first linux distro other than suse that the modem works under. I became lucky all of a sudden after years of hard luck.
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كتب strontium90: BTW, I tired Kubuntu 6.06 recently in Live CD mode, thanks to ahnaqsh, and was slightly disappointed. The autoconfiguration didn't do an adequate job on some really important things for a system that puts "usability" and ease of use and configuration at forefront like making some preliminary system administration so that the user can set up his internet connection via kppp later, among other things it couldn't, for some reason, make other partitions available. It was also surprising that some of "canonical" GNU/Linux apps, like Firefox and GIMP were not there. Of course these can be installed later..
Yup, I don't know why the heck ubuntu/kubuntu is getting all of this media hype! I didn't find anything interesting in it that distinguishes it from other distros I even found that some other distros are actually easier to use and offer more features!
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تاريخ التسجيل: 2004-01-24
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كتب foaad: كتب strontium90: BTW, I tired Kubuntu 6.06 recently in Live CD mode, thanks to ahnaqsh, and was slightly disappointed. The autoconfiguration didn't do an adequate job on some really important things for a system that puts "usability" and ease of use and configuration at forefront like making some preliminary system administration so that the user can set up his internet connection via kppp later, among other things it couldn't, for some reason, make other partitions available. It was also surprising that some of "canonical" GNU/Linux apps, like Firefox and GIMP were not there. Of course these can be installed later..
Yup, I don't know why the heck ubuntu/kubuntu is getting all of this media hype! I didn't find anything interesting in it that distinguishes it from other distros I even found that some other distros are actually easier to use and offer more features!
I don't know about you, but for me Ubuntu did a splendid job detecting my laptop's hardware, sound, wifi, hibernation, and everything else worked perfectly out of the box except for two things, 3D acceleration (because of ATi's drivers license), and the clumsy winmodem that I hardly use anyway, installing those drivers was a matter of reading the comprehensive Ubuntu guide and checking 2 options in the package manager, if this is not impressive, I don't know what is.
I'm not familiar with Kubuntu, but as we all know, Gimp and Firefox are GTK apps, and many KDE users are picky when it comes to installing GTK libs, let alone having them there after a default installation. |
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تاريخ التسجيل: 2004-04-21
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الجامعة: حلب
الكلية: الهندسة المعلوماتية
المرحلة: ماجستير
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كتب ahnaqsh: Yes, you have a strong point there. The applications that are actually available are very few.I don't think they even included open-office. Perhaps they had to do this to make the cd both a live-cd and an install cd? is both a live CD and an installation CD and it includes a hella more apps than Kubuntu. This probably is a tradeoff between the number of apps to include and some other factor (drivers and multilingual support, maybe?) that we don't quite know about Kubuntu.
كتب أيمن: I don't know about you, but for me Ubuntu did a splendid job detecting my laptop's hardware, sound, wifi, hibernation, and everything else worked perfectly out of the box except for two things, 3D acceleration (because of ATi's drivers license), and the clumsy winmodem that I hardly use anyway, installing those drivers was a matter of reading the comprehensive Ubuntu guide and checking 2 options in the package manager, if this is not impressive, I don't know what is. Well probably that's why the CD backcover text mentions laptops before workstations. But this is no excuse to fail at configuring an external modem as common as a US Robotics 56k, is it? In any case, this is not a complaint; I don't intend using any flavor of GNU/Linux anytime soon, I just wanted to play around with Kubuntu a little bit. That's it.
كتب أيمن: I'm not familiar with Kubuntu, but as we all know, Gimp and Firefox are GTK apps, and many KDE users are picky when it comes to installing GTK libs, let alone having them there after a default installation. Actually I know many more KDE users that would prefer to use Firefox over Konqueror, and this is not without a reason, and Krita, KDE's image processor/editor and an integral part of KOffice, still cannot be considered a replacement for the GIMP, though given the new rendering features that Qt4 offers it can easily compete with and surpass the GIMP if development migrates to it. |
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تاريخ التسجيل: 2005-07-15
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كتب أيمن:
I don't know about you, but for me Ubuntu did a splendid job detecting my laptop's hardware, sound, wifi, hibernation, and everything else worked perfectly out of the box except for two things, 3D acceleration (because of ATi's drivers license), and the clumsy winmodem that I hardly use anyway, installing those drivers was a matter of reading the comprehensive Ubuntu guide and checking 2 options in the package manager, if this is not impressive, I don't know what is.
But I bet most of the other distors will do the same job.
After all I don't know what Ubuntu developers are exactly developing! I mean what's in Ubuntu that's not in other distros?!
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