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I've prune out this discussion from this thread.

Have you seen all of the 220+36 episodes + 4 Movies?!

Hmmm.. Naruto & Bleach, you remind me of someone
Anyway if you're looking forward to waste more of your time, like I do check out these excellent Animes: (you might already know them)
Fullmetal Alchemist, Death Note and Monster.

ahnaqsh actually. back in the days.

Are you advising ME! or M-RAY-Y?
Anyway Appleseed is a nice movie but not one of the best Anime movies, not even close. (most of Miyazaki's movies are much better), I haven't seen Devil May Cry (and I don't think I will) It's based on a game for crying out loud.

Those were the days.

 

I haven't watched any anime in a long time, though, except for the newest Naruto episodes some days ago.

 

They are good, but I didn't like how both the bad guy they were fighting and the good guy both got killed (apparently) and then came back to life in the next episode. It is a sign the writers are running out of ideas and don't want to lose any character, or they want to have another epic battle again where  the characters ge to to really die.

Thnx foaad 4 This Thread

I Have Found Links for 8 Seasons Of This Anim
I Can Download it 4 u my friend

The Ultimate Anim According 2 Me IS Yu-Gi-Oh!
I Have Watched All MBC3 Seasons plus two movies plus 2 Sesons in English Which I Enjoy it The Most

Now I Am Downloading Episods 4 The Great Sasuki

What seasons?! Anime doesn't come in seasons, it comes in parts Naruto has 2, the first one with 220 ep and the second one has 40 ep so far.
BTW lets not talk about downloading here, OK.

Personally I don't consider it anime unless it's in Japanese (with English and sometimes Arabic subtitles).
Dubbing can remove a lot of the qualities of an anime, let alone story modification that most animes goes through when dubbed to Arabic. And that most -if not all- animes played on Arabic channels are for kids

I wanna watch the new Captain Tsubasa episodes when I get some time. In original sound, it's a better experience especially the soundtracks.

hmmmm.. I will not say it's waste of time
actually now i'm looking for my exams more than anim
any way, i've seen Death note and it was really good

there is a good japanes drama called "Liter of tears" from a real story
i've seen some episodes and it makes you cry,believe me !

about "prison break" i've seen the firest session on mbc Action

i don't think that so, cuz now there is 384 manga been done for naruto and till now they've drawn only about 280 episods of it
but, i don't like naruto for one thing.. it's lazy scenario

Have you also seen Fullmetal Alchemist, Monster and the rest of the top rated animes and decided that Death Note is the best or are you just guessing?

I've seen this Rurouni Kenshin OVA it was one of the first anime I've ever seen and because of it I've developed a taste for anime, BTW it stayed at the top of this list for a long time.
You haven't seen any of the top 20 Animes! please watch them and comeback after.
BTW have you seen them in their Original form or the US version? most of the times animes undergoes light (to heavy) editing before publishing in the US, mostly blood, violence and language are tuned down, sometimes it's not a big deal but sometimes it runes the movie/series.
OMG! Yeah sure Picasso's paintings sucks, I can get better results with my cellphone camera!
I'm not sure which Samurai X have you seen, and I haven't seen any Naruto's episodes but I can assure you that most of Animes have much more artistic value than Cartoons.
The plot that you have mentioned doesn't happen in Anime more than it does in Hollywood movies and cartoons! on the contrary animes have much more alternative scenarios sometimes the hero is actually evil, sometimes he dies and sometimes there is no clear winner at the end.
Sure there is huge differences between western and far-eastern cultures and we're more familiar with and closer to the former,
BUT If you have time please read this article. (admittedly even I didn't read the whole thing) but here is some highlights:
"In short, American animation is mainly aimed at children, promoting Judeo-Christian views that there is a "good" side and a "bad" side, with one "right" answer in the end."
"On the other hand, ... anime ... is a form of mass media that has an audience of all ages. "
"many anime series are just that, series. The storyline is continuous, with plot twists and character development, and in my opinion, makes them more interesting to watch."
"many series never clearly draw the line between "good" and "evil". Characters often switch from one side to the other, some characters can be both, and some characters can be neither."
AND please read the Impact and influence of "Ghost in the Shell" a 1995 anime movie, you might be surprised.
Yeah, Captain Tsubasa the worst anime ever IMHO.
Besides if you're going to watch the anime equivalent to Teletubbies, probably you're not gonna like it , chose ones that best suit your gender, age and interests.

OMG! again.
From the above mentioned article:
"Character design is very different in anime is very different from American cartoons. Many characters are human in form, as opposed to animals or robots often present in cartoons. Japanese animation, however, commonly employs simplistic facial design to distinguish characters immediately."
I don't know about you but I find humans more interesting than ants, bees or toys!
And I find that emotions do show much better on anime charachters faces (and adds to the depth of the story) than other art forms including live-action movies.
No please tell us more

anime fans when you have a clear shot take him out

Now that we're done with the worm up, let's get to the real meat :
I'd be happy if you get me some of them, I could use an anime between every 50 movies. BTW, have you watched any of the top 100 cartoons!
No,Picasso's paintings are -unlike anime- Simple, VISUALLY creative and have different styles. BTW, my cell phone doesn't have a camera

And who told you that ?!! ... you can ask any professional animator, character designer or BG artist in the world about it then you will have the right
answer. The main theme in anime is that it's not for kids,so for you -not being a kid- it looks better. But that doesn't mean that it has more artistic
value than western but rather that other way around.
You can't compare it to cartoons because of the different viewers , and you should better not compare it to movies because movies are sure better.
OK ... What a good reference! An article about how good is anime from TheAnimeNewsNetwork.com . You might want to read about the best anti-Virus from
symantec.com or how smart is Britney Spears from Britneyspearsfan.net. Come on man !
Anyway, this article is about animation for kids VS animation for all ages and that is not my point. I really believe that animation in general should be
a "form of mass media that has an audience of all ages".

The quality of the media is not measured with "what is the idea" but rather with "How you introduce your idea".So, making a movie about "lying is bad" in a
new, creative, funny and understandable to your goal audience way is far better than to try to solve the question "why are we in this world?" in a messy,
dark, melodramatic and full of violence way.

Well I am not. I knew that. and there's more in Tarantino's Kill Bill which uses a lot of anime style (and has a greate anime scene).
But if YOU want to be surprised take a look at the Father of anime to know who he was inspired by.
I thought Yu-Gi-Oh! is .
Character design in anime is completely different than all other animation because here you have to put a lot of details and sharp edges to make the
character look more complex on one side and so you can keep it "animationless" for as long as you can with out making the viewer notice that on the other
side.Anime style was designed in the beginning to be "a good quality in a small budget" or "as good as it gets" and after that it became a general rule
for all next animes. And as stream of anime got bigger and bigger the equation became "complex character + a very good but very short animation + a lot of
compositing to give life to the still frames = anime".But the problem is that complex is not usually good.
for me, I'm talking about it not as a viewer only but also as a professional. I'm working as a compositing supervisor in an animation studio.
Personally, I'm a movie addict. But I still trying to make a career in animation directing hoping one day I'll do one, that's why I'm interested in
cartoons.And that's why I'm doing this discussion , so I can learn the anime strength points from you "anime addicts" .

The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and that before this battle is over, even an anime-fan can bleed.

OK first things first,
I'm not a media professional (none of us are –maybe except for you-) so of course we're talking from an audience point of view.
And from an audience point of view nothing matters except how much entertaining and enjoyable a movie or a series is. (This also should be the main concern for the creators).
Of course I don't like most cartoons and animes targeted towards kids because of the silly/stupid story, and I've never did, even when I was a kid (long long time ago ) so I can't debate how much good or not these are from a kids point of view.
And before we go further I'd like to say that story is the main issue for us anime fans, but if you want we could discuss things from a mere "visuals" point of view (since you look more interested in that).
I'd be happy to invite you to our next anime meeting. (in a couple of weeks maybe)
Oh please! Give me some credit I've watched 6 out of the top 10 in that list, including all of the 410 The Simpsons episodes.
BTW this list is way off -to say the least- I'm not gonna say anything about anime since it's a UK list but where is Futurama for instance!
Simple, visually creative and have different styles. I would've never found better words to describe anime than those. Well maybe not always simple, but that is also the situation with a lot of great art works. (you may be the first one to describe Picasso's paintings as simple ).
I AM telling you that well I've also heard it from some American animators and movie makers. (Anime influence on American animators and movie makers is evident, we're gonna get to than in a moment).
From your argument anime appeals more to adults, cartoons appeal more to kids that means anime has more artistic value not the other way around. Since when kids appreciate art more than adults?!
There are cartoons targeted toward grownups, and movies (Hollywood movies) oh please don't get me started on that, we're talking about story plot here and everybody knows it's not a big concern in Hollywood movies, most of them have a simple story and the plot is almost identical in every single one of them! This is why they call it a "Hollywood movie"
Well, then you must admit that anime is doing a much better job in this aspect compared to cartoons.
"new, creative, funny and understandable" vs "messy, dark, melodramatic and full of violence" Hmm.. Well I have to admit the second sounds way much cooler to me
Of course if you could find an anime movie about "lying is bad" I really doubt it would be messy, dark and full of violence.
Actually I already know that. and there is no shame in that (but also keep in mind the difference between being influenced by something and taken content right out of it).
what I was trying to say is that there is mutual influence between Japanese anime/movies and US cartoons/movies, BUT these days it look like Americans are taking from the Japanese a lot more than they are given to them (The Matrix, The Ring, The Grudge, The Boondocks), don't you think?
Anime has a wide verity of styles, from the extreme simplistic to the extreme artistic with some interesting combinations in between. (Of course anime series/movies that succeed are those with a good story, so the visuals is not a deciding factor here, none the less I find most of them "visually" better than cartoons).
May I ask and what is that exactly?
Well then you should watch a lot more anime since it might actually benefit you in your career (a lot more than movies would anyway).
Finally I'm no anime addict, not even close I've even seen more cartoons than anime.
One of the reasons I'm interested in anime is that you get to learn a few new things about Japanese culture and language (they don't have and can't pronounce the letter L ). It's always interesting to learn new stuff especially in an entertaining way.

In detail you could check their wikipedia definitions: Cartoons, Manga, Anime.
In brief:
Comics are graphical novels (spiderman, superman), Cartoons are any animated movie or series (mostly based on comics).
Manga is Japaneses comics (or the Japanese equivalent to comics), Anime is Japanese cartoons (almost always based on manga).
But because of the -sometimes- huge difference between manga/anime and comics/cartoons, almost no one calls manga and anime comics or cartoons.

Did you watch Syrian TV when you were a child?
- Everything on channel 1 was Anime.
- Everything on channel 2 was Cartoon.

I'd be most happy to.(If this isn't a conspiracy to take me down ).
Not Everybody is that lucky to have a DSL
This is what I call simple,visually creative and different styles.(from the same company).
Being for adults doesn't give anime an extra artistic value(Actually, most bad things are for adults).

Do you mean that The Godfather,Titanic ,Pulp Fiction and Natural Born Killers have the same plot?! I think not me, but the whole world would disagree with you. But if you like "messy, dark, melodramatic and full of violence" movies they will look all the same .
Yes, that's right. But because it's commercially good for them not because they have more artistic value (most of these movies are commercial not artistic)
that's good that they finally admitted their weakness in this side.After all, I have no problem with anime if it's getting better.
I'm glad you asked . Compositing in animation is when the foreground animation is put together with the background(BG). Here we choose the right shots and keep the hole scene sequenced. After that, we add the special effects and do the color balance and correction. But most of the time we do error tracking (something like debugging in programming ).
And because compositing is much faster than animating when you have a small budget you do alot of compositing tricks (used alot in anime) to hide your weak animation.
Thank you, I really would love to but you know our DSL problem and it's hard to get them elsewhere .
BTW, I really like anime music. especially Naruto and Final Fantasy .
For the record, I like cartoons but that doesn't mean that I agree with everything in them, because most of them carry the worst ideas. But I still admit their artistic value.

Did you forgot that Grendizer used to air on the second channel, or was that before your time
I didn't say cartoons can't be simple, artistic, and visually creative, I've just said that it rarely are, and I still believe that the examples that I gave are more artistic and creative than the examples you gave.

No, but if you target grownups you sure can go as artistic as you want, OTH if you're targeting kids your options are limited.
Of course not! BUT you gave examples from different genres, of course there is tons of movies that have the same plot as The Godfather or Titanic. I know that every bunch of years a good movie will eventually pop up, but these are the exceptions not the norm.
And honestly -since we're talking about story- I don't think Titanic has a good story! yet it was a huge success, there is many other examples too, which why I said story isn't a deciding factor in a movie's success or failure.
Why they don't come up with their own "commercially good" movies?! if there is no art involved it should be quite easy don't you think?!
And The Matrix is one of the best movies I've ever seen (well the first part that is) it had a good story, a lot of new ideas, it definitely had a huge impact on popular culture not just the movies industry, I have to call that artistic (or at least creative).

So tell me, is it your fault when the tree branch that's gonna break in a couple of seconds has a different color from the tree that it's attached to? cause cartoons -unlike anime- used to have a lot of these errors
You mean JPop. yeah it's OK. I like them because they remind me of the anime they're associated with
Well for the record, I disagree with almost everything in anime . Really, I do.
I like to learn about other cultures -because I think it's good to know- but I rarely find anything better in other cultures than ours.